In our very first episode, we welcome the Guardian’s social policy editor Patrick Butler. We discuss his work on covering the carers allowance scandal. How he came across this story, where he sees it going, and how his work has changed his views on caring. We also talk about the UK’s attitude to social care, why carers aren’t heroes, and why it is crucial that carer’s share their story.

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For more information on the We Care Campaign, visit us on: https://wecarecampaign.org.uk/ and to find out what being an unpaid carer is really like, read Laura’s blog here: https://numbereighteeninthecorner.blog/