Kari talks with Andrea Carlisle about her new book, There Was an Old Woman, and her thoughts about aging. Listen as they explore what it means to be "women of a certain age," talk about those obnoxious targeted social media advertisements for "belly fat" and what it might look like to age without shame, and see how Andrea compares aging to adolescence.

Andrea's website: https://andreacarlisle.com

Buy Andrea's book:  https://osupress.oregonstate.edu/book/there-was-old-woman

Meet Kari O'Driscoll Author, Educator, Founder of The SELF Project

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