Today I get to sit down with Andrew Lombardi and Stephen Durkota, two very good friends of mine who started The Laity Podcast last year to share a conversation they'd been having with other people: how to mature in your faith without losing your footing.

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Things we mention in this episode:

• "The Sabbath" by Abraham Heschel
• "Sabbath in the Suburbs" by MaryAnn McKibben-Dana
• "Sabbath as Resistance" by Walter Brueggemann
• "Tattoos on the Heart" by Gregory Boyle
• "Barking at the Choir" by Gregory Boyle

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