Once you’ve made it past the “start” in startup, you realize that was the easy part. Scaling, says Andrew Vasylyk, is the real challenge — and he should know.

Andrew and his brother and business partner Alex are startup-obsessed. As co-founders of StartupSoft, they help early-stage tech companies scale their engineering teams remotely.

In this episode, Andrew explains why tech companies are looking abroad to scale their teams, how he took on Facebook (and lost), and the secret to his working relationship with his brother.