This conversation with Andy Mahler took place July 15th, 2025 and is the third of four interviews I did with Andy during the summer of 2025.

The focal point of this conversation is the devastating forest service project called Buffalo Springs, which poses a current threat to the Hoosier National Forest and many private properties adjacent to these public lands, including Andy's own home.

True to Andy's form. This conversation meanders a bit like a river, but it's an enjoyable ride. Thanks for joining me.

To get involved or show your support, please check out and donate to any and all of the followings groups:

• Save Hooiser National Forest
• Save Hoosier National Forest Facebook page
• Protect Our Woods Facebook page
• Indiana Forest Alliance
• Heartwood

Intro music: "Diamond in the Sun" by Robert Hoyt, 1995. Dumpster Diving Across America.