Hello and and welcome back to 'how to build a school' a podcast series in which I am talking with various people involved in education and the arts to dissect the system, highlight the problems and discuss why and how they exist but more importantly we talk about the much needed alternatives with a focus on creative learning.

I'm really honoured to introduce my next guest Anna Cutler, who until recently was the director of learning and research at Tate. She is now a coach, consultant and writer and in my mind one of the most profound but clearest voices on the subject of art, culture and education. A restless magpie asking all the necessary, difficult questions. It's a long one but it's jam packed full of personal and career insights and a hopeful nod to the future of learning.

Tate: https://www.tate.org.uk/

Article by Anna: https://www.tate.org.uk/research/publications/tate-papers/13/what-is-to-be-done-sandra-learning-in-cultural-institutions-of-the-twenty-first-century

Creative Partnerships: https://www.creativitycultureeducation.org/programme/creative-partnerships/

Arthur Cropley: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Creativity-Education-Learning-Teachers-Educators/dp/0749434473