This week, Joe talks to Ali and Cole of the band Another Heaven. It's been two years and a pandemic since the band was last on the podcast. The band just released their newest album, The Sorrowful Cries of Birds with Singed Feathers, through mpls ltd. During the podcast, we talk about creating amidst the pandemic, the grind culture surrounding music, and  the band being able to channel the pain and uncertainty of the last year through art.