If you value anti racism work, self reflection and growth then this is the podcast for you!

Join us as we explore Tema Okun's Ladder of Empowerment - a chart that outlines the 9 stages white people experience throughout their anti racism practice. 

Beginning with "I'm normal, and ending with "Community of love and resistance", white people will continuously move up and down the ladder regardless of how long they have been committed to antiracism work. And that's ok, in fact, it's expected.

Similar to understanding stages of grief, it's important to understand that uncomfortable feelings of guilt and shame are to be expected along the way. 

We've coined the term "worth it work", when the work is hard but worth it.

Additionally, we discuss the need for values based alignment to this work and share personal stories of significant moments we realized we belonged to a specific ethnic groups.