Host Lisa Locascio and guest Garth Greenwell discuss his works Cleanness and What Belongs to You, along with taking leaps of faith, participating in systems that don't support your values, the allure of teaching, finding inspiration, the ethics of writing about other places, and the influence of W. G. Sebald, Javier Marias, and Thomas Bernhard.

This episode was produced and mastered by Amy Mills Klipstine.