AppsemblyLine - The Salesforce ISV Podcast

➡️ Summary ➡️

Another MVP (minimum viable, most valuable) episode, this time digging into three big ideas every Salesforce ISV founder and builder should be chewing on right now. First, while everyone races to bolt AI agents onto their outbound motion, buyers are automating their side of the table even faster — tools like Claude Duet and OpenAI's always-on agents can already research shortlists, evaluate products, and even complete purchases. That makes agent legibility the new discovery layer: visible pricing instead of "contact us," concrete verifiable claims instead of adjective soup, ungated evaluation content, public well-structured docs (plus an llms.txt file), and a rewritten AgentExchange listing for the semantic search era — with an exposed MCP server emerging as the new demo. Second, as AI-generated outreach floods every channel, the one channel agents can't fake is genuine human community — advice guests like Chris Gilzean and Andre van Kampen were giving long before this wave, and it's aged incredibly well. The result is a barbell strategy: machine-legible facts on one end, human trust on the other, while the middle layer of cold email, gated content, and LinkedIn automation gets squeezed from both sides. Third, an optimistic close: AI leverage means one or two people can now run what used to take eight or ten, suddenly making the hundreds of niche markets across the Salesforce ecosystem viable, high-margin businesses.

➡️ Host ➡️

Scott Covert https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottbcovert/

AppsemblyLine https://www.appsemblyline.com

Tython https://www.tython.co

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

Buyers are automating faster than sellers — agents can already research, compare, and even purchase products, so ask whether your product shows up at all when a prospect's agent builds a shortlist

Hidden pricing, marketing fluff, gated content, and private docs are the exact things that make you invisible to agents — publish a starting price or typical range, because a bot reads "contact us" as no data, skip

Rewrite your homepage and listing copy around concrete, verifiable claims — "syncs quotes bidirectionally," "SOC 2 Type II compliant," "installs as a managed package" — the boring facts sales engineers share on the second call

Your documentation is becoming marketing collateral: public, well-structured, honest docs are one of the strongest true signals you can put out, and an llms.txt file is a cheap way to point language models at your canonical content

Semantic search is live on the AgentExchange — rewrite your listing like you're explaining to a smart colleague exactly what your product does, who it's for, and what it costs

Exposing an MCP server is becoming the new demo or free trial: if a prospect's agent can touch, query, and try your product, you can land on the shortlist before a human ever visits your website

The week-one audit: can an agent find your pricing, does your homepage make verifiable claims, is your best evaluation content ungated, are your docs public and quotable, and have you reread your listing since semantic search went live

As infinite AI-generated outreach kills the middle channels, discovery stays with machines and trust stays with humans — the Salesforce ecosystem's community infrastructure is a moat most ISVs treat as a nice-to-have

Pick one community investment this quarter and commit: a Dreamin' event talk, zero-pitch helpfulness in the Ohana Slack, a meetup, a newsletter, or a podcast — it compounds even if you can't cleanly attribute it

A happy customer who vouches for you in public is doing something no agent can do — reviews, named case studies, and reference calls are the highest-leverage ask you can make this week

AI leverage makes small markets viable: a one-or-two person shop doing $400-500K ARR in a niche that was once "too small" is now a great, defensible, high-margin business

Honest caveats: security review and real production support don't scale away, and "I built it in a weekend" is not a moat — a weekend build plus deep niche expertise and community trust is

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➡️ Keywords ➡️

Salesforce ISV, AI agents, agentic buyers, agent legibility, AgentExchange, semantic search, llms.txt, MCP, public pricing, documentation, gated content, go-to-market, cold outbound, community, Dreamin events, Ohana Slack, customer reviews, solo founder, bootstrapped, niche SaaS

➡️ Hashtags ➡️

#AppsemblyLine #Salesforce #ISV #AgentExchange #AI #MCP #Community

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➡️ Summary ➡️

A special crossover episode from the Revenue Engineer Podcast, hosted by Warren Walters — founder and chief programmer path planning officer (C3PO) of Cloud Code Academy, senior GTM systems engineer at Vercel, and a past AppsemblyLine guest. Warren flips the mic on Scott for a hands-on session about the workflow he uses at Tython building Permissions Assistant: pairing AI agents with git worktrees so the engineer stops being the bottleneck. Scott breaks down why git stash and cloned directories fall short, how worktrees create sibling working directories backed by one shared Git database, and how his bash scripts give every worktree its own isolated scratch org. Then it's demo time: three user stories for the weather proof-of-concept app from Warren's first episode — a five-day forecast, hardened error handling, and an account-page weather component — each built in parallel by its own Claude Code agent in its own worktree, then merged back into main by Claude itself, merge conflicts and all. Along the way Warren shares his own tricks, from the bang (!) command in Claude Code to treating every agent miss as a prompt to update your CLAUDE.md, and the pair field audience questions on GitLab support, org dependencies, and worktree sprawl.

➡️ Guest ➡️

Warren Walters https://www.linkedin.com/in/walters954/

Warren's Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@Walters954

The Revenue Engineer Podcast https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxhxCFOxSp6iqVzzsNCdQBgnphxgXUX0m

Cloud Code Academy https://www.cloudcodeacademy.com

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

AI agents now write code faster than engineers can review it — the human is the bottleneck, and working one ticket at a time leaves that speed on the table

Git worktrees have been part of Git since 2015, but they're having a moment because they pair perfectly with agentic coding tools like Claude Code

git stash is a junk drawer — stashes get forgotten, and untracked or git-ignored tweaks make it clunkier still

Cloning the repo into a second folder creates two repositories with no knowledge of each other, and you pay for that convenience in merge conflicts later

A worktree is a sibling working directory backed by one shared Git database — and Git locks a branch checked out in a worktree so nothing steps on toes

Give every worktree its own scratch org: each sibling directory carries its own default org, so a deploy can never hit the wrong target

Bash scripts and npm commands automate the loop — create the worktree, spin up a scratch org, push metadata, assign perm sets, then tear it all down after merge

The workflow in action: three user stories, three worktrees, three Claude Code agents racing each other in parallel

Agent downtime is the new deployment wait — instead of reaching for your phone (or playing Tetris in MavensMate), pull down another ticket

A Claude instance in the main working directory can find the worktrees, merge every feature branch back into main, and resolve the merge conflicts itself

Warren's tip: the bang (!) prefix in Claude Code runs shell commands without leaving the session, and Claude keeps the context of what ran

When an agent gets something wrong, treat it as a trigger to update your CLAUDE.md steering files so it gets it right next time

Worktrees are a feature of Git itself, so they work the same whether your remote is GitHub, GitLab, or Bitbucket

The same pattern can work with sandboxes instead of scratch orgs — the teardown is just clunkier

Run through the whole workflow yourself with the weather-poc repo on Scott's GitHub

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➡️ Keywords ➡️

git worktrees, AI agents, Claude Code, parallel development, scratch orgs, Salesforce ISV, Salesforce DX, agentic development, Warren Walters, Revenue Engineer Podcast, Cloud Code Academy, Tython, Permissions Assistant, DevOps automation, merge conflicts, feature branches, CLAUDE.md, weather POC, Vercel

➡️ Hashtags ➡️

#AppsemblyLine #Salesforce #ISV #ClaudeCode #GitWorktrees #AI #RevenueEngineer

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➡️ Summary ➡️

Another MVP (minimum viable, most valuable) episode, breaking down the Dreamforce 2026 announcements that matter most to Salesforce ISVs across three fronts: building, distribution, and cost. On the building side, AIforce, Claudeforce, and the new Salesforce plugin for Claude signal that the org is becoming a back end to any front end — meaning ISVs need to design for customers reaching their products from Slack, Claude, or ChatGPT, not just from inside the platform. New developer changes now landing: running relevant tests in beta for faster CI, namespace shadowing for dynamic SOQL, and heap size limits jumping from 6MB to 10MB synchronous and 10MB to 25MB asynchronous. On distribution, the AppExchange-to-AgentExchange transition continues with semantic search now live on the marketplace — a signal to rework your listing copy — while Tyler Carlson shared that selling non-Salesforce products arrives in October, with a skills marketplace and purchasable flex credits coming in 2027. On cost, agentic interactions with the platform — dubbed headless platform interactions — will burn flex credits, with the multiplier still unannounced and more pricing details expected in November. Dreamforce also marked the announcement of Trailblazer Labs, an open-source community initiative with a builder-in-residence program where everything ships under the Apache 2.0 license.

➡️ Host ➡️

Scott Covert https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottbcovert/

AppsemblyLine https://www.appsemblyline.com

Tython https://www.tython.co

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

AIforce, Claudeforce, and Salesforce's new Claude plugin mean the org is becoming a back end to any front end — ISVs should design for customers reaching their products from Slack, Claude, or ChatGPT

Salesforce reported 22x growth for Agentforce Vibes, though after the free-to-paid-to-restricted-free tier shuffle it's unclear where that growth is coming from — anecdotally, most ISV builders seem to be reaching for Claude Code or Codex

Running relevant tests is now in beta and can dramatically speed up CI for packages with large Apex test suites

Namespace shadowing is worth researching for ISVs relying heavily on dynamic SOQL

Heap size limits are increasing — synchronous from 6MB to 10MB and asynchronous from 10MB to 25MB — welcome news for apps and agents handling larger payloads

The AppExchange-to-AgentExchange transition continues, and semantic search is now live on the marketplace — review your listing copy, because keyword optimization alone no longer cuts it

Selling non-Salesforce products arrives in October, with a new skills marketplace and the ability to purchase flex credits coming in 2027

The new Go-To-Market app and private offers through your listing look increasingly important in the days ahead

Agentic interactions will consume flex credits: ISVs will register agents that make MCP and API calls, and these headless platform interactions will burn credits — the multiplier is TBD, with more pricing information expected in November

Trailblazer Labs was officially released, an open-source community initiative with a builder-in-residence program where ideas are shared and upvoted

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➡️ Keywords ➡️

Dreamforce 2026, Salesforce ISV, AIforce, Claudeforce, Salesforce Claude plugin, Agentforce Vibes, semantic search, AppExchange, AgentExchange, flex credits, headless platform interactions, heap size limits, running relevant tests, namespace shadowing, Go-To-Market app, private offers, skills marketplace, Trailblazer Labs, builder-in-residence, MCP

➡️ Hashtags ➡️

#AppsemblyLine #Salesforce #ISV #Dreamforce #Agentforce #AgentExchange #TrailblazerLabs

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➡️ Summary ➡️

Tim Schuitemaker, managing director of GoMeddo, joins to share how a product that began as Booker25 inside an SI fifteen years ago grew into the Salesforce-native scheduling and booking platform powering brands like Club Med, Basic Fit, and Jaguar Land Rover — with customers on every continent except Antarctica. Tim explains why splitting the ISV away from the SI business was the unlock for growth: roadmaps stopped losing priority to implementation projects, and other SI partners finally stopped seeing GoMeddo as a competitor, opening the door to the global partner network that now drives the business. He walks through niching down a horizontal product by pairing industries with regions, sponsoring World Tours and partner events where prospects actually are, and building Salesforce relationships the practical way — SEs match you to RFPs, AEs get you into deals early, and your partner account manager can always tell you which AE owns an account you just closed. Tim also shares the origin of Novigem, his new Salesforce-native gamification app born from watching implementations fail for lack of adoption (one pilot customer doubled logged activities in two months), how GoMeddo went from Agentforce launch partner to exposing its booking engine over MCP, and his advice for new ISVs: nail your ICP, almost give the product away to launching customers, and let their success bring the next ones.

➡️ Guest ➡️

Tim Schuitemaker https://www.linkedin.com/in/timschuitemaker/

GoMeddo https://www.gomeddo.com

Novigem https://novigem.com

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

GoMeddo started as Booker25 fifteen years ago, built by SI bench resources between projects until it grew big enough to split into a pure ISV four to five years ago

Inside an SI, implementation work gets prioritized over the product roadmap — a problem once enterprise deals include committed features and support levels

Splitting from the SI also removed a partnership blocker: other SIs stopped seeing a competitor in the shadow of the product, and the partner network took off

With customers already in multiple regions, GoMeddo grew by sponsoring World Tours and partner-run events in markets where it had reference cases

Scheduling is a horizontal product, but pairing an industry with a region — like student housing in education — makes the message resonate and the go-to-market easier

Salesforce itself is a growth channel: SEs match your product to incoming RFPs, while AEs get you into deals earlier because they're in front of customers

After closing a deal, ask your partner account manager which AE owns the account — then ask about other customers in their patch

Leverage happy customers to introduce you to their AE; showing success in an industry opens Salesforce's industry teams' doors

Novigem was born from watching implementations fail after six to nine months for lack of adoption — gamification changes behavior in a lasting way

Launching an ISV today is completely different from fifteen years ago: you're essentially committing to be an Agentforce product from day one, and standing out among thousands of listings is much harder

GoMeddo was an Agentforce launch partner — among the first ISVs worldwide with a listing — and now exposes its booking engine via MCP so any interface can drive it

Dreamforce tip: book your meetings a month in advance and consider sponsoring side events instead of a booth — everyone's calendar fills up before they land

Advice for new ISVs: nail your ICP quickly, almost give the product away to launching customers, and support them heavily — their references bring the next customers

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➡️ Keywords ➡️

GoMeddo, Novigem, Tim Schuitemaker, Salesforce ISV, scheduling, booking platform, Booker25, SI split, partner network, World Tour sponsorship, horizontal product, niche marketing, ICP, gamification, user adoption, Agentforce, Agent Exchange, MCP, Dreamforce, partner account manager

➡️ Hashtags ➡️

#AppsemblyLine #Salesforce #ISV #GoMeddo #Novigem #Agentforce #Dreamforce

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➡️ Summary ➡️

Brittany Hart, founder and CEO of Communiscape, joins to share how a Salesforce journey that began at a front desk in 2010 led to scaling Fortimize as its second employee, founding and exiting the SI Platinum Cubed, and ultimately building a company dedicated to fixing the communication breakdowns that derail technology implementations. After watching project after project get blamed as a "technology problem" when the real issue was communication, Brittany created the Communiscape framework: four communication elements — earth, wind, fire, and water — defined by whether you process externally or internally and whether you focus on relationships or goals. She walks through how ISVs can apply the framework everywhere: building balanced teams instead of hiring communication clones, approaching SI partnerships with a give-to-get mindset rather than opening with a client-list swap, and writing marketing that speaks to all four elements instead of just the author's dominant one. Brittany also shares why AI-generated content is doing companies a disservice, how to flex into a prospect's communication style to close more deals, and her advice for early-stage ISVs: know your North Star and find the partners who align with it.

➡️ Guest ➡️

Brittany Hart https://www.linkedin.com/in/brittanyhart/

Communiscape https://communiscape.com

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

Brittany's Salesforce journey started in 2010 as a front desk admin — a colleague's tip that "Salesforce is gonna be a thing" turned into a career from CRM coordinator to VP of revenue to founder

When rollouts land flat and users don't know why the project happened, it gets blamed as a technology problem — but it's almost always a communication problem

The Communiscape framework maps four communication elements — earth, wind, fire, and water — and everyone has a dominant element blended with the other three

Wind and fire are external processors who think out loud in the room; water and earth process internally and may look quietly engaged while working through everything in their heads

External versus internal processing is not the same as extrovert versus introvert — it's how you think through decisions, not where you get your energy

Wind and earth are relationship-focused (the experience and getting everyone there together); fire and water are goal-focused (speed to the finish and finding the best way to do it)

Don't hire clones of your own element: an all-fire team blazes past the obstacles a water would catch, leaves out the people an earth would include, and skips the celebrations a wind would create

Matching elements doesn't guarantee harmony — two fires with different goals can dig in and tear things apart like a wildfire

ISV-SI partnerships shouldn't open with "share your client list" — SIs have years-long trust relationships, so build the relationship first and give to get

SIs talk to clients weekly while ISVs may check in quarterly — understand the difference in touch point models when structuring a partnership

Marketing written in the author's dominant element only resonates with about one in four readers — structure a single piece to speak to all four elements

In sales and customer service, learn to quickly identify the other person's element and flex into it — set your own goal aside, find theirs, and meet where they line up

AI can support your communication, but if it writes everything your audience can tell — put your voice back in or people will assume you didn't care enough

Know your North Star and seek out partners who align with it — if the synergy isn't flowing, move on and find your people

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➡️ Keywords ➡️

Communiscape, Brittany Hart, communication styles, four elements, earth wind fire water, Salesforce ISV, Fortimize, Platinum Cubed, external processor, internal processor, team building, company culture, SI partnerships, ISV partnerships, marketing segmentation, AI in marketing, sales communication, Dreamforce

➡️ Hashtags ➡️

#AppsemblyLine #Salesforce #ISV #Communiscape #Communication #Leadership

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Chris Gilzean, owner and Salesforce architect of Appable CRM and co-leader of the Sacramento Salesforce User Group, joins to share the story behind Searchable. A self-described "intentional admin," Chris started as a reluctant call-center end user in 2011 before falling in love with the platform and building a consulting career in financial services. After building custom search components for clients again and again, he turned the pattern into a product — a configurable search app that began as a financial services tool and ended up working with any industry cloud, standard object, or custom object. Chris explains how he treated the IdeaExchange's dedicated search category as a crowdsourced product roadmap, why Searchable complements rather than competes with global search, and the free Agentforce add-on that delivers AI record summaries and can even configure Search Manager for you. He also shares candid lessons from his first 45 days on the AppExchange: why personal network beat cold marketing, how his security review passed in just a week, why you should submit your listing long before the code is done, and what's next for Appable — including a second native app, Stageable, and the shift from hourly billing to scalable products.

➡️ Guest ➡️

Chris Gilzean https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-gilzean-64046920/ [email protected]

Appable CRM https://www.appablecrm.com/

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

An "intentional admin" story: Chris's first experience with Salesforce as a 2011 call-center end user was that he wouldn't touch it — fourteen years later he builds products on it

Asking end users "What do you hate about Salesforce?" puts them at ease and surfaces the root of their day-to-day challenges better than any requirements doc

If you keep rebuilding the same custom component across consulting clients, that recurring pattern is product validation in itself

Start in the niche you know — Searchable launched with financial services messaging because Chris's personal network lives there, with plans to cast a wider net later

The IdeaExchange has an entire category for search — treat it as a crowdsourced product roadmap of well-written requirements collected by the community

Salesforce shipping native functionality doesn't kill an app idea: there's room for a better-together story, like helping customers configure global search while extending it

Salesforce PMs are accessible at community conferences and True to the Core — they'll share what customers are asking for and what they'll never build

An Agentforce extension package doesn't have to be about flashy features — using AI to automate setup and configuration reduces onboarding friction and support load

Expect Salesforce to eventually absorb some of your features; keep building the use cases your customers ask for and improve alongside the platform

Chris's security review for a paid native app took just one week — thorough documentation, Code Analyzer, and Checkmarx scans made it smoother than expected

Submit your AppExchange listing early: listing review and security review run in parallel, and drafting the listing forces you to sharpen your target market and messaging before writing code

Don't wait until the month before Dreamforce to submit — everyone else is submitting then too

Cold marketing didn't launch Searchable — five years of showing up at user groups and Dreamin' events did; build your personal brand before you enter the ISV space

Moving from hourly billing to configurable apps is how a consulting company escapes the 24-hours-in-a-day ceiling

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➡️ Keywords ➡️

Searchable, Appable CRM, Chris Gilzean, Salesforce search, global search, Search Manager, financial services, AppExchange, ISV, Agentforce, IdeaExchange, security review, Dreamin' events, user groups, Sacramento Salesforce User Group, native apps, consulting to product, Stageable

➡️ Hashtags ➡️

#AppsemblyLine #Salesforce #ISV #Searchable #AppExchange #Agentforce #Community

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Heather Black, founder and CEO of Supermums, joins to tackle the ISV talent crunch head-on. After starting as an accidental admin in 2010 and growing a 20-person Salesforce consultancy, Heather founded Supermums — now 10 years old, with over 1,800 professionals trained and talent placed in 200+ organizations globally, earning her a Salesforce Golden Hoodie and a spot in Computer Weekly's top 100 women in tech. She lays out how ISVs can partner with education-first communities to seed product advocates early in their careers, why hiring experienced women returners lets a small team punch above its weight, and the flexible models — part-time, trial projects, and hire-train-deploy — that make senior talent affordable. The conversation also digs into community-led growth tactics from Conga and Copado, why AI-first capability is the new Classic-to-Lightning moment for ISVs, the gold standard for product education and free-trial conversion, how the 1% Pledge and social value tip deals in a crowded AppExchange, and Heather's repeatable playbook for building an authentic founder brand without drowning in content creation.

➡️ Guest ➡️

Heather Black https://www.linkedin.com/in/heather-black-salesforce-women-in-tech-speaker/

Supermums https://supermums.org/

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

Get into practitioners' journeys early — admins carry the products they learn first through their whole careers, the way Heather rolled FormAssembly and Conga out to hundreds of consulting clients because she'd learned and trusted them as an admin

Educate first, sell second: teach the business use case before demoing the product — an audience you've educated becomes familiar with you and won't shop around

Community is a distinct discipline from marketing — champions programs, certificates, and meetups like Copado's create belonging, advocacy, and CV-worthy credentials

Guerrilla marketing can beat a £20K booth: Supermums skipped the World Tour stand and handed out pink bags that ended up in every photo

Experienced women returners let small teams punch above their weight — senior hires bring credibility and hit the ground running, while junior hires need mentoring bandwidth an early-stage team may not have

Returners are hungry: after years off the market they absorb everything and put 100% into the opportunity — like ProvenWorks' rev ops hire Fiona and Own's multilingual customer success hires

Flexible hiring models de-risk the budget: start part-time and grow hours, use base-plus-commission or profit share, or run a trial project before converting to permanent

Hire-train-deploy lets the recruiter employ the person on a day rate — avoiding IR35 and headcount concerns — with free conversion to permanent after two years

Four roles to assemble as an ISV grows: sales/BD, account management, customer success and onboarding, and marketing/community — build the jigsaw slow and steady with part-time pieces

AI-first is the new Classic-to-Lightning: apps without embedded AI become legacy systems, and candidates trained on AI-first tools will out-compete those who aren't

Tools that surface technical debt and adoption (like Hubbl Diagnostics) and AI-driven DevOps (like Gearset's AI hub) are top education priorities for tomorrow's admins

Gold-standard product education meets every learning style — video, hands-on, and written — plus certifications people proudly post on social

Don't waste free trials: Heather sat on a Salesforce trial for two years until someone showed her a real use case — get on the phone with trialists and put videos on your AppExchange listing

The 1% Pledge and social value can tip the deal: when features blur together across competing products, values differentiate — it's part of why Jaguar Land Rover chose Supermums

Founders need a personal brand alongside the company brand: pick a specialism, craft one core story each year, and repurpose it across user groups, LinkedIn, masterclasses — even books

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➡️ Keywords ➡️

Supermums, Heather Black, ISV talent, women returners, flexible hiring, hire-train-deploy, community building, education-first marketing, product adoption, free trials, AppExchange, AI-first apps, technical debt, 1% Pledge, DEI, founder brand, Salesforce ecosystem

➡️ Hashtags ➡️

#AppsemblyLine #Salesforce #ISV #Supermums #WomenInTech #TalentCrunch #Community #AI

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Griff Parry, co-founder and CEO of m3ter, and Marek Rubasinski, Head of EMEA and VP of Partnerships, join just days after closing their acquisition by Salesforce to tell the story of how they got there. m3ter is the data infrastructure that lets big enterprises move from subscription to usage-based pricing — metering usage, rating it against complex pricing logic, and automating data flows across the quote-to-cash stack. Griff and Marek trace the journey from their GameSparks and AWS roots, through a rapid $17.5M raise in a founder-friendly market, to the deliberate bet on an enterprise ICP and an integration-first, partnership-first strategy. They dig into the connector and native Salesforce managed package they built while competitors just shipped an API, the hustle that turned a thin network thread into a Salesforce relationship, and the honest failures along the way — a bad-fit partnership, underpricing by 10-20x, and trying to do too much at once. The conversation closes on why AI has made usage-based pricing obvious, why pricing is 50% strategy and 50% operations, and what m3ter inside Salesforce could unlock for ISVs.

➡️ Guests ➡️

Griff Parry https://www.linkedin.com/in/griffinparry/

Marek Rubasinski https://www.linkedin.com/in/marekrubasinski/

m3ter https://www.m3ter.com/

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

m3ter is data infrastructure for enterprises shifting from subscription to usage-based pricing — it does three things: meter usage, rate it against complex pricing logic, and automate data flows across the quote-to-cash stack

The founding team had felt the usage-pricing pain firsthand twice — at GameSparks (acquired by AWS) and inside AWS itself — so they knew the problem cold before writing a line of code

m3ter raised $17.5M in three quick steps by the end of 2021 — a ~$2.5M seed, then $10M, then $5M from Insight Partners — riding a uniquely founder-friendly, post-COVID SaaS funding market

Early design partners came from deliberate discovery conversations through the founders' network, framed as discovery rather than sales — good discovery naturally led to design-partner relationships

Letting enterprise customers, not early-stage engineering teams, shape the ICP made m3ter distinctive versus competitors like Metronome and Orb — luck with judgment led them in the right direction

Integration-first, partnership-first: the product simply doesn't function unless it plugs into a sales front end (Salesforce) and a finance back end (NetSuite), so know exactly where you sit in the ecosystem

They bet an entire engineering team on a complex, enterprise-grade native Salesforce managed package and security review while competitors just handed customers an API — that became a durable differentiator hard to catch up to

The Salesforce relationship started from a tiny network thread — a VC intro and an ex-Zuora colleague's connection — plus relentless hustle; the founders insist they had no special advantages

Salesforce ultimately pulled m3ter in: they saw the usage-pricing trend, wanted a trusted partner to introduce customers to, then partnered, invested (March 2026), and acquired

Honest failures: a strategic partnership with the wrong ICP fit wasted time and money, and like most startups they priced far too low early — now charging 10-20x for comparable deals

Winning the customer isn't the finish line — getting them activated and live in production is, which in the early days meant heavy support before building an SI/consulting partner ecosystem to scale it

They tried to do too much in parallel — core metering/rating plus a "decisioning" analytics product — when they should have won in series; the lesson: stick to the knitting and earn the right to expand

For founders without a network: lead with genuine discovery instead of selling, ask ex-founders for their time, and remember The Mom Test — listen far more than you talk

On the acquisition: don't overthink it — be the best possible partner, and acquisition conversations flow naturally from there

AI made the pitch obvious — usage pricing used to need explaining, but now customers open calls with "we're launching an AI product and need to sort out billing"; pricing is 50% strategy and 50% operations

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m3ter, usage-based pricing, metering, rating, quote-to-cash, billing, Salesforce acquisition, Salesforce Ventures, ISV, NetSuite, managed package, AppExchange, product strategy, partnerships, Griff Parry, Marek Rubasinski

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Tyler Carlson, SVP and Head of Product for AgentExchange and Partner Experience at Salesforce, joins to unpack what the reinvigoration of the Salesforce marketplace really means for ISVs. A former employee at a Salesforce ISV himself, Tyler breaks down the $50 million Builders Fund, the shift to Headless 360 and what a UI-optional, agentic future means for how partners architect their products, and the ground-up overhaul of AgentExchange search, listings, and discovery. The conversation digs into GEO and the decline of organic search, the new GoToMarket app for private offers and native billing, agent-driven procurement, and how partner solutions are becoming discoverable inside Agentforce Builder, Agentforce setup, and even Tableau Next.

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Tyler Carlson https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylermcarlson/

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

The $50 million Builders Fund is aimed squarely at product-led companies — roughly a quarter is earmarked for pre-Series A founders, funded through a Salesforce Ventures investment vehicle

New ISV-first programs sit under the fund, including MDF for established partners and a first-of-its-kind lead referral fee when partners bring co-sale opportunities to Salesforce

Headless 360 reverses the polarity — build for the power of the platform first, then express it through many "heads" like Slack, ChatGPT, Claude, and MCP rather than beautiful UI screens

Platform-hosted MCP servers and richer out-of-the-box APIs mean ISVs no longer have to stand up their own gateway layer to go agentic

The internal push to headless is funding a cross-cloud effort to close long-standing metadata and API coverage gaps

AgentExchange search is only about a third through a major roadmap; an AI overview-style "AI mode" search with summarized listings arrives around Dreamforce

A new org context picker will personalize search and recommendations based on what is actually installed and used in a selected org, leveling the field for smaller ISVs

Search will increasingly reward listings with useful, current content — LLM-powered publishing tools will help generate listing copy from your existing website

Salesforce is shifting from listing volume as a vanity metric to actively curating quality, flagging stale listings, giving deadlines, and potentially delisting with an option to relist

Every ISV is seeing organic search traffic dip as AI overviews answer buyer questions, making GEO (generative engine optimization) table stakes

The GoToMarket app is live today as a native Salesforce capability — a permission flip lights up standard objects for partner offers, Stripe setup, price books, invoices, and payouts

Private offers, public checkout, and Salesforce-managed billing are becoming API-accessible, opening the door to agent-driven procurement within a set budget

Partner agent assets — actions, subagents, MCP servers — are exploded out of the package manifest and made individually discoverable inside Agentforce Builder

Agentforce setup will replace the legacy setup menu and proactively recommend AgentExchange solutions based on your org context and current project

The same discovery APIs now power embedded marketplaces in other products, like the new Tableau Next marketplace — the AgentExchange site is just one of many heads

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Salesforce, AgentExchange, AppExchange, ISV, Builders Fund, Headless 360, MCP, GoToMarket app, generative engine optimization, Agentforce Builder, Agentforce setup, private offers, Salesforce Ventures, Tyler Carlson

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➡️ Summary ➡️

Rimon Hanna of Serpent from Tekunda, a Salesforce ISV and PDO, shares how years of feeling the daily pain of Salesforce delivery — untracked changes, change sets, and clunky CI/CD — led him to build a DevOps platform that makes Git effortless for technical and non-technical teams alike. Starting with the ISV and package-development workflow, Rimon explains how Serpent grew to serve system integrators and customers as the market pulled it in directions he never planned for. The conversation digs into usage-based pricing, partnering with SIs, competing with change sets and DevOps Center, and how AI now resolves merge conflicts and cherry-picks features that once took hours.

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Rimon Hanna https://www.linkedin.com/in/rimonhanna/

Serpent https://serpent.cloud https://tekunda.com/serpent

Tekunda https://tekunda.com/

➡️ Takeaways ➡️

Serpent treats source control as a given, not an option — no change should live untracked on an org or someone's local machine

The platform lets non-technical admins follow Git without having to learn Git, with a standard mode and an expert mode for different personas

Serpent started with the ISV and package-development workflow before expanding to org development, where the number of user personas explodes

The biggest competitor is still change sets — a 2025 Salesforce Ben survey found 42% of admins still rely on them

Listen to how the market reacts instead of getting tunnel-visioned on your original plan — the second-biggest interest came from system integrators, not customers as expected

Usage-based credit pricing instead of per-seat lets SIs adopt Serpent across boutique teams and pass costs to customers per project

A tiered partnership program (silver, gold, platinum) gives SIs revenue share on both first-year and renewal subscriptions

DevOps Center often funnels users up from change sets, but its limitations push teams to look for a vendor that does more

Serpent AI resolves merge conflicts in 95%+ of cases, including notoriously tricky flow conflicts, and tests the result before deploying

AI-powered cherry-picking turned a customer's nearly three-hour manual change selection into a single explained prompt

The Serpent MCP server lets AI coding assistants work through Serpent's gates and checks instead of deploying directly to an org

Release as fast as you can and iterate — smaller packages also clear security review more easily

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Salesforce DevOps, Serpent, Tekunda, ISV, source control, Git, change sets, DevOps Center, system integrators, usage-based pricing, AI merge conflict resolution, MCP, Rimon Hanna

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