What does it mean to inhabit a liminal space—not just personally, but collectively? In this wide-ranging and poetic conversation, I’m joined by Jeremy Johnson, integral philosopher, publisher, and leading interpreter of the work of Jean Gebser, to explore the spiritual and cognitive metamorphosis we are undergoing as a species.

Together, we reflect on what it means to live at the edge of an old structure of consciousness—where the rational, industrial, and mechanistic paradigms are fraying—and to sense the emergence of a new reality coalescing through the cracks. This is a conversation about integral philosophy, the poetics of transformation, and the sacred work of becoming human in a time between worlds.

Jeremy brings his deep scholarship into conversation with the mythic and the planetary. We speak of Gebser’s model of consciousness evolution, the importance of aligning the intellectual with the imaginal, and the role of art, spirituality, and integral ecology in guiding the transition. There is a shared recognition that we are in a civilizational rite of passage—and that a new language, a new temporality, and a new sense of self are being born.

For those attuned to subtle thresholds—for those sensing the world is no longer what it was, but not yet what it will become—this conversation offers both orientation and deep permission to dwell in the in-between.