Welcome to Episode 13 of the Real Talk with JAM Podcast! Join John & Marcus as they continue to discuss the future of "re-opening" the state of California. Also, what will "normal" look like after the end of the current health crisis? Will you still shake hands? We can join Marcus and just wave at people from a distance, or follow John's idea of yelling at people from across the room. (We're not sure how John plans to go through with that idea). Tell us what you think and tune-in for a fresh perspective!