In this episode, Seth sits down with Karl Forehand, a former pastor from Seth's youth and his friend Dr. Paul Fitzgerald, DMin. Karl is an author and recently published a book called "Apparent Faith." Dr. Fitzgerald is an ordained minister who offers pastoral care and spiritual direction, teaches spiritual formation and leads experiential trainings. This conversation strives to unpack shame in a way that is understandable and discuss paths forward. Dr. Paul brings valuable information regarding the topic of shame and offers support through his experiential trainings. You can learn more about the Breakthrough experiential training and coaching at www.heartconnexion.org. You may also access the free printable files on working through your own story of shame at [email protected]. 

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