Sam, host, is joined by Eric McElveen, ONC writer and self-described conservative. The two have a conversation about America-Europe relations. Is the Trump administration right to pressure Ukraine and diminish ties with Western Europe? Are Trump, Vance and Musk's critiques of European speech policy justified? How do these critiques factor into security policy?

Sam and Eric focus on trying to understand one another's perspectives on this issue, exploring conservative, progressive and mixed points.

Note: This podcast was recorded before Ukraine agreed to ceasefire talks.