Mark Shelburne didn't set out to become one of the country's leading experts on Qualified Allocation Plans. He stumbled into affordable housing the same way a lot of people do — through a chance connection and a job that turned out to be a lot more interesting than the strip mall law work he'd left behind.

In this episode, Leah and Marty sit down with Mark, housing policy consultant at Novogradac, for a wide-ranging conversation about the documents that quietly control billions of dollars in affordable housing resources every year. Mark breaks down what QAPs actually are, how states use them to allocate Low Income Housing Tax Credits, and why understanding them matters for anyone working in affordable housing development — whether you're a developer, an allocating agency, or somewhere in between.

He also gets into the role of technology in affordable housing, why residential construction is overdue for a major leap forward, and what gives him the most hope for the future of the industry.

If you've ever wanted to understand how affordable housing actually gets funded and built in America, this is a good place to start.

Joe Riddle didn't set out to spend 35 years in community development. He was mailing out resumes and looking for any job that would have him when a hiring manager in Columbus, Georgia asked if he'd be interested in becoming a CDBG specialist. He said yes, asked what CDBG was, and never left.

In this episode, Leah and Marty sit down with Joe, Grants Program Manager for Pinellas County Housing and Community Development and Vice President of NACCED, to talk about what a career spanning city, state, and county government actually teaches you. Joe covers the role relationships play in doing this work well, what CDBG and HOME funding look like on the ground when they're working the way they're supposed to, and why the affordable housing crisis needs both funding and regulatory reform to solve.

He also shares the story of a third grade girl scout who summed up community development better than any definition he'd ever read, and why after 35 years, the thank yous still mean more than anything.

In Episode 3 of Around the Block, Leah and Marty sit down with Belle LeBlanc, Human Services Manager for Lafayette Consolidated Government, to explore a critical barrier to affordable housing: aging sewer infrastructure. Fresh off Lafayette's selection as one of only 24 cities worldwide to win the Bloomberg Philanthropies Mayors Challenge, Belle shares how her team is rethinking public infrastructure by starting where few communities look—private sewer lines.

What begins as a conversation about pipes quickly becomes a story about people. Belle explains how Lafayette is pairing infrastructure investment with neighborhood engagement, using every home visit as an opportunity to connect residents with resources, gather community input, and build trust. It's an inspiring discussion about innovative local government, preserving community, and why solving housing challenges sometimes means digging below the surface.

In Episode 2 of Around the Block, Leah and Marty sit down with Katie Goar, President of Quadel, to tackle a tension that runs through every corner of the affordable housing industry — can you enforce the rules and still lead with compassion? With three decades of experience spanning city government, public housing, and multifamily portfolio oversight, Katie makes a compelling case that housing practitioners don't have to choose. It's a candid, energizing conversation about what it really means to serve people well — and why the health of your internal operations matters just as much as the next ribbon cutting.

Katie's TEDx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMIn8_rA5iU
Quadel's Changemakers Podcast: https://quadel.com/changemakers-with-katie-goar/

Leah and Marty introduce their new podcast, talk about their backgrounds in community development and then a little about what their goal is for the Around the Block Podcast.