In a conversation with set decorator Claire Kaufman, SDSA (and an Emmy Award nominee this year for The Studio), Emmy-nominated production designers Rob Tokarz (HBO Max's Hacks) and Ruth Ammon (Apple TV+'s Pachinko) discuss how they build the intricate sets for their respective shows — and their mutual apprecation. “I was Ruth’s art PA on my first union show — Heroes season 4,” Tokarz says. “I learned so much.” This episode, sponsored by Apple TV+, HBO Max and Universal Television, was recorded at the American Society of Cinematographers Clubhouse in Los Angeles on Aug. 7.