Derek and Doug have been long time friends. Their collective backgrounds span over 40 years and the comradery is obvious. In this clip, they discuss the difference between art and design, when the UX experience should be creative, if ever, and use their fortune-telling skills to predict the next infomercial medium.

Derek Hollister is the founder of Boldworld, a digital first agency with Pennsylvania roots and a global portfolio. With an extensive background leading creative teams across disciplines and client teams across industries, he is passionate about creating experiences people love.