Tom catches up with the artists Jennifer Gillam and Eugene Hanson, and they talk about their reserch into the Te Ana Ru at Whatipu. There used to be a kauri dance floor in there, at the turn of the century. They have been digging, both metaphorically and sort of physically, to find out more. Their show opens at Te Uru on Saturday. We also talked to Ngahiraka Mason, on the landline from MIQ! She is back in Aotearoa to curate Te Tuhi's newest show, "A Very Different World".  We talk about what Covid means for curating and working together with one another. Also in the show, Tom whips out the hot glue gun and tries some Vanetines day crafting.