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In this special Everyday Mars episode commemorating Mars Love Month, returning guest Dr. Simon Dubé joins Joe to explore one of the most surprising frontiers of space settlement: artificial companions. If Mars is going to be home — not just a research outpost — we’ll need more than life-support systems and radiation shielding. We’ll need emotional infrastructure.
Simon is a researcher whose work sits at the intersection of love, sexuality, psychology, and emerging technology. Listeners may remember him from our conversation last year on Sex and Love on Mars. This time, we take things further, asking what role AI-driven companions, robotic intimacy, and emotionally responsive systems might play in long-duration missions.
We discuss whether artificial partners are substitutes or supplements, how isolation changes human bonding, what happens to attachment in confined habitats, the ethics of emotional AI, and why the goal on Mars may not be to pass the Turing Test — but to pass the loneliness test.
If we’re serious about building a civilization on Mars, we have to design for the heart as much as the body.
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A huge thank you as well to Simon for joining me again and sharing his time and perspective, to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, to Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, to Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for adminning the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project—even when space history gets unexpectedly sweet.
The Media Equation: How People Treat Computers, Television, and New Media Like Real People and Places
Clifford Nass & Byron Reeves
1996
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/media-equation/98C3C6F9F7E3B1C3B7C0A5A9C7A1E0B3
Living with Seal Robots—Its Sociopsychological and Physiological Influences on the Elderly at a Care House
Kazuhiro Wada & Takanori Shibata
2007
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4200858
The Effect of a Fully Automated Conversational Agent on Reducing Symptoms of Depression: A Randomized Controlled Trial
Kathleen K. Fitzpatrick, Alison Darcy & Molly Vierhile
2017
https://mental.jmir.org/2017/2/e19/
Use of Social Robots in Mental Health and Well-Being Research: Systematic Review
Jiska A. S. Broekens, et al.
2019
https://www.jmir.org/2019/7/e13322/
Building Long-Term Human–Robot Relationships: Examining Disclosure, Perception and Well-Being Across Time
Guy Laban, Arvid Kappas, Val Morrison & Emily S. Cross
2023
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12369-023-01076-z
By Aspiring MartiansIn this special Everyday Mars episode commemorating Mars Love Month, returning guest Dr. Simon Dubé joins Joe to explore one of the most surprising frontiers of space settlement: artificial companions. If Mars is going to be home — not just a research outpost — we’ll need more than life-support systems and radiation shielding. We’ll need emotional infrastructure.
Simon is a researcher whose work sits at the intersection of love, sexuality, psychology, and emerging technology. Listeners may remember him from our conversation last year on Sex and Love on Mars. This time, we take things further, asking what role AI-driven companions, robotic intimacy, and emotionally responsive systems might play in long-duration missions.
We discuss whether artificial partners are substitutes or supplements, how isolation changes human bonding, what happens to attachment in confined habitats, the ethics of emotional AI, and why the goal on Mars may not be to pass the Turing Test — but to pass the loneliness test.
If we’re serious about building a civilization on Mars, we have to design for the heart as much as the body.
~
A huge thank you as well to Simon for joining me again and sharing his time and perspective, to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, to Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, to Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for adminning the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project—even when space history gets unexpectedly sweet.
The Media Equation: How People Treat Computers, Television, and New Media Like Real People and Places
Clifford Nass & Byron Reeves
1996
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/media-equation/98C3C6F9F7E3B1C3B7C0A5A9C7A1E0B3
Living with Seal Robots—Its Sociopsychological and Physiological Influences on the Elderly at a Care House
Kazuhiro Wada & Takanori Shibata
2007
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4200858
The Effect of a Fully Automated Conversational Agent on Reducing Symptoms of Depression: A Randomized Controlled Trial
Kathleen K. Fitzpatrick, Alison Darcy & Molly Vierhile
2017
https://mental.jmir.org/2017/2/e19/
Use of Social Robots in Mental Health and Well-Being Research: Systematic Review
Jiska A. S. Broekens, et al.
2019
https://www.jmir.org/2019/7/e13322/
Building Long-Term Human–Robot Relationships: Examining Disclosure, Perception and Well-Being Across Time
Guy Laban, Arvid Kappas, Val Morrison & Emily S. Cross
2023
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12369-023-01076-z