I sit down with Chen Chen — an engineering professor at The Ohio State University — to talk about the future of artificial intelligence, the strange world of esoteric math, and how our brains actually perceive time. We get into the joy of understanding things deeply, why some problems feel impossible until they suddenly click, and what AI might change about how humans think. It’s a conversation about curiosity, complexity, and the pleasure of learning for its own sake.

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