This episode I chat with long time friend, Jason Sellers aka Echelon the Seeker. We talk about his refusal to have a backup plan to music, how fatherhood has affected his work, and something about COVID and shoes. Find him @echelonseeks on Instagram and Echelon the Seeker on bandcamp.

Produced by Endless River Studios. You can follow Athena @athenasayaka on Instagram.

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