For episode 13 I'm joined by my great friend Ashanti. We studied chemistry together in college, but our friendship is much more than just lab partners - we actually don't even talk much chemistry in the episode! We take a deep dive into the art and the intricacies of fly fishing, playing the long game in life, getting our asses kicked by computers in chess, why sometimes the easiest way is not always the best way, pursuing one's passions, and how to be great at whatever you do. I learned a lot in this one and I know you will too. Enjoy!