Host Asteria Elzea and guest Carmen Spagnola explore contrasting perspectives on hope, resistance, and what it means to build for the future. They discuss values-driven action, coalition-building, disability access, and living with grief and integrity amid social and ecological collapse.
The conversation weaves personal identities, trauma-informed facilitation, community care, and practical ways to keep working together—even when outcomes are uncertain.
This episode was recorded almost a year prior to release - Carmen just experienced a horrifically devastating wildfire that has left her and her husband Ruben with three shopping bags worth of belongings and that is -it-. Their farm and every building on it, the RVs they lived in with Carmen's adult but sensitively autistic kid, the housing for Ruben's elderly parents, all of it gone in a fire that grew from 50 hectares to 5000 in an hour.
Some ways to help them include joining the Numinous Network, as Carmen mentions at the end of the episode. Carmen's colleagues, the Numinous Guides (which includes Asteria!) have taken over the business continuity plans and are keeping things running so the family still has an income while they recover, plus the guides have no loss of income as well. You can also donate to the GoFundMe set up by Alysha for Carmen and Ruben. They could not get fire insurance because of the rural location of their farm, so the GoFundMe acts as a baseline to get them out of prior debt, get housing for Ruben's elderly parents, and get Carmen and Ruben back in an RV on the land with solar to take care of their animals and begin rebuilding. If you imagine the amount of money it takes to build a house and replace every single object down to laptops and underwear, that is what they need.
https://carmenspagnola.squarespace.com/the-numinous-network
https://www.gofundme.com/f/emergency-support-for-carmen-and-family