In 1980 Ben Shneiderman published one of the first texts in the field that would come to be known as human-computer interaction, and has since pioneered innovations we take for granted today, like touchscreens and hyperlinks. He has now turned his attention to maximising the real-world impact of university research, by combining applied and basic research; a topic he addresses in his new book 'The New ABCs of Research'. He chats with our reporter Steve Grimwade.

Episode recorded: December 14 2017

Interviewer: Steve Grimwade

Producers: Dr Andi Horvath, Chris Hatzis and Silvi Van-Wall

Audio engineer: Gavin Nebauer

Editor: Chris Hatzis

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