Do viruses cause disease? Do viruses even exist as described? We thought these were basic axioms within medical science but perhaps we should take another look. We pose these and other questions to our distinguished guest Dr. Andrew Kaufman. Join me along with C.J. "The Lion of Losantiville" and Karis "The Pilgrim of Persepolis" as Dr. Kaufman takes us on a wild ride down the rabbit hole of virology.