In the midst of the Global COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020, Avril Henry interviews the legendary demographer, media personality, researcher and author, Bernard Salt - informative, articulate, humorous and globally famous for the term "smashed avocado". As fellow "numbers nerds", Bernard and Avril will take listeners on a fascinating journey of changes predicted for the 2020s based on Bernard's unique and powerful research. This podcast was recorded in early March as the COVID-19 pandemic arrived in Australia with force. They discuss generational changes in leadership, politics, social and work structures and what Australia is likely to look like post COVID-19. Boomers are offended by being seen as senior citizens and don't want to retire, while Gen Xs want Boomers to just go away , and Gen Y are coming to terms with being adults with their own family demands. Gen Ys and Gen Zs will lead the way in the new digital economy and change the way we work and live, all being accelerated by the COVID-19 pandemic and its severe consequences. The world has changed forever and nothing will the same ever again. Tune in for a lively, fun discussion.