Author Ann Leary, whose 2013 Modern Love essay in The New York Times "Rallying to Keep the Game Alive" was adapted for the Modern Love streaming series this year, joins Thirty Love host Carl Bialik to talk about how tennis has fit into her marriage to her husband (actor Denis Leary), why she has been using a one-handed backhand lately, and whether the tennis tradition can make way for alternative rules.

A recent New York Times interview with Leary about her essay

Leary on the Modern Love podcast

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Music by Lee Rosevere: "Credit Roll" and "Glass Android."