Dan talks with Autumn Luz about "starting late" as a musician, using the pandemic as a jumping off point where she gave herself permission to make music, her love of ballet and dance, working with Philly producer Sam Rosen and bassist Mitch Beer, and finding her collaborator, Sam Esquith, who joins us in the conversation. We talk dark, moody vibes, digital collaboration, and the joy of finally putting it all together in person. Autumn has two singles out curently with videos, "Heat" and "Speed", available at her website and wherever you get digital music.