Written and produced in November 2022 for Johnny Dwyer's Writing and Reporting Workshop. Thanks to Daniel Schroeder of Slate for your help on this! And to Hannah Lang, Caroline Harrison, and Lena Nyblade for your interviews featured! Songs on this episode: He Would Have Laughed- Deerhunter Alien-Beach House Birds- Neil Young The full playlist I compiled from my interviews can be found here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5CQbJ2wyfHk08CAqw70kS2?si=ddfe1b593d104620