Variations 16, 17, 18. Bach was a consummate craftsmen -- he knew not just how to write music, but how to build it. In this Interview, we speak with pianist Jeffrey LaDeur and his student, Ken Kocienda. Kocienda was lead software engineer behind the Apple iPhone and developed a strong affinity for the Goldbergs. Kocienda and Ladeur discuss parallels between music and design, and how constraints can actually enhance creativity.

Interviews recorded in San Jose, California on January 2, 2018 and  in San Francisco, California on July 2, 2019.

Photo credits: Jiyang Chen (LaDeur)

Musical recording credits available at https://www.thirtybach.com/podcast-episodes/bach-would-have-been-a-good-programmer