An important aspect of backsliding is understanding how individuals with corrupt motives gain and then abuse their power to undermine democracy. So, in this special episode, recorded at a seminar earlier this year, I spoke to Brian Klaas – author of the new book Corruptible: Who Gets Power and How It Changes Us. Brian’s book draws on over 500 interviews with people from presidents and philanthropists to rebels, cultists, and dictators to answer the question of whether power corrupts, or are corrupt people simply drawn to power.

Co-hosted with Dr Lauren Burgeno.