Most people think red teaming is digital—until someone bypasses your locks, plants a Raspberry Pi in your server room, and walks out with your data. That’s not sci-fi. That’s White Knight Labs.

In this episode, Ron talks with Greg Hatcher and John Stigerwalt, co-founders of White Knight Labs, a boutique offensive security firm built on real-world action. They share high-stakes red team operations—like triggering alarms and dodging police during a break-in—and explain why most companies are wide open to physical and insider threats. This isn’t a theory. It’s what’s happening right now, and it’s being executed with precision and purpose.

00:00 - Introduction

02:13 - Origin story of White Knight Labs

08:56 - Why physical red teaming is broken

12:20 - Breaking into a lottery facility

16:00 - Hiding from police mid-engagement

22:30 - Getting hired to breach from inside

25:45 - Hijacking code from offshore devs

33:29 - Real difference: red team vs pen test

35:00 - Get in touch with WKL

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