FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: responsibility to show I am not here - working only with lesbians - being the oldest Asian daughter - being part of art - deserving all the good things.

Recorded on the 19th of November 2025, at BAM Brooklyn, Next Wave Festival, New York City.

(01:30) Helga: “You could answer any of those questions with: 'it could be worse if you were black'. Perhaps people are tired of having this conversation. And I feel a tremendous responsibility to sit here. If I don't come and sit here, you don't know that I am not here."

(04:30) Cindy [°1983 - United States]: “A major producer, wealthy and older, said: 'Cindy, you have the makings of a truly great producer. But I want to sleep with you. So I could only ever view you as a mistress or secretary. I only work with lesbians.'"

(08:10) Lisa [°1999 - Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam]: “As an eldest daughter I had to always do the best I can and take care of my family. Or at least: not to embarrass them."

(11:30) Anonymous: "I always am afraid I am not brave and honest. I always wanted to make art, but you can't if you're not brave or honest. This was a way I could be part of art. Just one time." 

(14:55) What do you deserve?: "It has taken me a whole lifetime to say what I am going to say here in public..."

"To not prove I am one of the bro's."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

This episode was co-produced by Qubit Music and supported by the Dutch Embassy in New York

Leadership support for theater at BAM provided by The Shubert Foundation, Inc. and The SHS Foundation

Leadership support for Next Wave 2025 provided by National Endowment for the Arts

Support for theater at BAM provided by The Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and Laura Pels International Foundation for Theater

Additional support for theater at BAM provided by The Francena T. Harrison Foundation Trust and David L. Klein, Jr. Foundation

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