Glen Fant returns to the show to talk with Josh about what it means to be a hardcore fan of a band. They talk about their obsessions with Ben Folds Five (Josh) and Smashing Pumpkins (Glen) as teens, how their levels of fandom went up and down over time, and what caused those changes. At the top of the show they give quick life updates and also discuss how being parents to two kids instead of one is a big change, as Josh has recently experienced. (Conversation recorded on November 11, 2022)