Team Tortoise welcome Nat Hewit to the studio to talk about TWO things that changed her life; podcast host Kate Dooley, and the BBC 1 popular science show Bang Goes the Theory. Before the Kate Dooley love-in gets too nauseating, we manage to discuss brewing cider, rescuing seamen, puppet Shakespeare and non-Newtonian fluids. Will Alex get a word in edgeways? Will Kate's ego deflate enough to allow her to leave the studio? Listen now to find out.

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