Today in our PPG Member group we talked Punishment with Dr. Karolina Westlund. We discussed the downside of using scary punishment, the ethics construct as a side model to science, the humane hierarchy and so much more. Listen here to the audio of this thought challenging conversation between Dr. Karolina and PPG President, Niki Tudge. 

Conversations with Dr. Karolina are always science based and animal welfare centered. Dr. Karolina represents her business Illis ABC where she provides top-notch education on animal behavior to pet industry professionals. To learn more about Illis and the programs they offer visit their website here https://illis.se/en/