A conversation with artist Martin Rowson about his process, comedy, Ronald Searle, why we draw and the benefits of not rehearsing and podcast host Joanna Neary.

An episode about letting go of control and learning, aptly, preparation consisted solely of studying some Ronald Searle drawings and finding a Martin Rowson one. ‘WE DO THIS FOR THE SAME REASON WE TELL STORIES…’ with some grade A swears and a bleep. 

You can find related images discussed in this episode at joannaneary.com except for the Guardian cartoon which appeared in the December 13th 2025 issue. Joanna has got a print out of it somewhere but has put it somewhere special and probably won’t see it again now until another futuristic sounding date like.. 2029.

With thanks to Anna Rowson, Nick Revell and Pad Mclean.

Original music written and recorded by Hedluv.

Made with support from funding from The Arts Council England.

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