Inevitably and regrettably, we expand our scope beyond Kevin Smith the filmmaker and into the equally upsetting world of Kevin Smith the comic book writer. Niel Jacoby, host of Spall Talk and Mature Listeners, helps us unpack the painful experience of reading Kevin's two consecutive Batman series, Cacophony and The Widening Gyre.

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