In this episode we speak to Ockert Fourie. Ockert is a member of the Harvest worship team, a long standing member, connect group leader and all in all a fantastic friend to me and many others. We speak about manhood, what it means to be a man, Andrew Tate, the military and many other topics. This episode was recorded a few months ago. A lot has happened in the church and in the life of our guest, namely the birth of his son. This episode is dedicated to little Ockert Fourie.