In this episode, Indy grapples with her decision to start charging for her dominant services, a shift prompted by the realisation that men have been viewing her sessions as "freebies." While her first paid encounter feels powerful, it also brings a profound sense of moral unease. She questions the ethics of financial domination and worries about the potential for it to corrupt her personality, fearing she might become arrogant or narcissistic. Her exploration of this new path seems to be driven by a place of resentment and a feeling of having been used in the past.

Michael offers a contrasting, more experienced viewpoint. He empathises with Indy's moral conflict but frames his own involvement in financial domination as a positive "alpha trajectory"—a valid exploration of a confident part of himself. He counters the fear of negative personal change by explaining that this persona is just one integrated facet of his already well-rounded identity, kept in check by his career, friendships, and therapy. For Michael, charging is a practical tool for managing demand and maintaining healthy boundaries, presenting the findom world as a more direct and rewarding alternative to the frustrations of conventional dating.

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(00:10) Indy

Indy shares details of a date with a woman—a psychologist with a similar background to her own. The date provides a profound sense of relief and safety for Indy, leading to a powerful realisation: her dominant persona, which involves emasculating men, is actually tied to a long-repressed attraction to women. This new path feels liberating, yet she is still apprehensive about how it might affect her family relationships.

(10:18)

A recent encounter with a submissive has also changed Indy's perspective on her role as a dominant. She's realised that many of her subs see her sessions as "freebies," which has prompted her to consider charging for her services.

(32:25) Michael

Meanwhile, Michael reveals a long-term proposal from his first-ever submissive, who wants to give Michael financial control over his life. This raises questions about responsibility, commitment, and how this new "alpha trajectory" will affect his ability to find a partner.

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(00:10) Michael

Michael shares a devastating story of being scammed again, this time by a "criminal" he was pursuing. The betrayal forces him to confront a toxic pattern in his life and consider a new, safer path forward.

He finds solace in his dominant persona, a "Tyler Durden" character that allows him to feel powerful and break free from society's rules. This sense of control is intoxicating, and he describes a recent session where he revealed in total dominance over a submissive.

(24:00) Indy

Indy connects with this feeling of power, but for her, it comes from the thrill of denial. She realizes that her dominant style, which focuses on emasculating men, is tied to a deeper, long-unacknowledged truth about her own sexuality. Her desire to strap men up in chastity and deny them sex leads to a powerful realization: she wants to pursue relationships with women.

As she attempts to navigate this new journey, she is met with the same frustrations and logistical challenges that have plagued her in the past. Can Indy find a way to balance her newfound path with her dominant side, or will she be forced to choose?

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(00:10) Michael

Michael recounts an online encounter where a seemingly genuine connection turned out to be an elaborate scam. His story forces him to confront his deeper insecurities about his fetish, leaving him to question if the price of his desire is too high.

(13:20) Indy

Meanwhile, Indy shares her own frustrating experiences navigating the online dating world. After a disappointing session with an ex-rugby player, she ventures onto dating apps with a "kink friendly" disclaimer, only to be met with a series of men who blur boundaries and waste her time. Her encounters leave her feeling jaded and questioning whether authentic connection is even possible in this digital landscape.

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(01:35) Indy

Indy describes a recent high, a period where she felt confident and desired by multiple men. One man, in particular, a tall, fit, and successful ex-rugby player, seemed to embody everything she was looking for in a submissive. He was eager to please, memorising her rules and even getting a haircut before their anticipated meeting. The connection felt so promising that Indy's mind began to race with possibilities for a future with him, causing her to feel a rare sense of nervousness and obsession while planning their first session.

However, after a tense and charged encounter, the session comes to an abrupt and unexpected halt...

(21:40) Michael

Meanwhile, Michael shares a completely different story, basking in the glow of what he claims was his "best ever session." He describes the intoxicating feeling of being in a "Dom space," a persona that gives him a new sense of confidence in his daily life. His session with a deeply repressed submissive was so successful that he felt it was a "sacred" experience, a perfect balance of verbal degradation and compassionate affection.

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Indy's Update (00:25)

The episode begins with Indy discussing her confident return to her dominant role after a long break. She details her highly theatrical and psychologically-driven process for meeting new submissives, which involves strict rules, suspense, humiliation, and denial. She also reflects on lessons learned from past sessions, including the importance of aftercare and understanding a partner's specific expectations.

Michael's Update (31:37)The focus then switches to Michael, who shares his journey into a dominant 'bully' persona. He discusses the challenge of integrating his own submissive kinks (like trainer worship) into his dominant scenes. A key part of his update is the psychological role of a dominant, specifically using validating language like "This is your truest self" to release a submissive's shame and create a safe, transformative space.

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Season 5: Release on August 21st, 2025.

Join Indy and Michael as they explore their BDSM journey in the day-to-day.

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In this episode, Michael announces Season 5! He also quickly checks in about some recent decisions around his sex working life...

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Join Michael as he looks back over the past few years and share some of his learning of being a dom.

01:20 Kink is Wonderful

03:49 Sexuality Is Very Fluid: It's Ok To Not Know Or Understand Your Sexuality/Kinks Just Yet

06:58 Communication is Key

09:29 When Simple Needs Are Not Met, Things Can Get Very Complicated

13:38 Power Centred Kink is Informed By Trauma (a work in progress)

17:26 Sensory Centred Kink is Neurologically Based

18:49 I Do Believe in the Narrative Idea of Dom/sub

21:32 I Am Pretty Clear Where My Kink Originates From

24:02 My Kinks Aren't As Urgent Anymore

Join Michael as he looks back over the past few years and share some of his learning.