In this episode, Tom Bassett and Saman discuss what it means to be more hands-on in the Salesforce ecosystem. Saman shares his experience as a senior software engineer and delivery lead at Okta, as well as the founder of CampApex.org, a platform that provides interactive hands-on lessons and challenges for trailblazers. They emphasize the importance of being an active learner and participant in your work and personal life. They also discuss the misconceptions around being hands-on and provide tips for developing the skills and attributes needed to be more hands-on.