Reality is where life happens. It’s where we learn, fail, love, and find hope. It in our nature to be out in nature. On a quiet deck in the presence of birds, dogs, and laughter. We’ve said it a lot in this series, but we will keep saying it, “We Need to Get Out More.” Not just for exercise or aesthetics, but for spiritual formation. Today John and Nancy have a conversation about a recent hike in Yosemite’s Vernal Falls. The grandeur was recalibrating to the soul. Nature, with all its gratuitous beauty and unnecessary joy (like ducks, as Dallas Willard once noted), reminds us that God is both powerful and delightfully good.

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When Tiffany and her husband Cam moved across the country to pursue their dream of running a mountain camp, they had no idea what was waiting for them. A financial crisis, a pandemic, wildfires, floods, and windstorms. They had to deal with one disaster after another. Each event felt like a reason to give up. But looking back, those same struggles became the soil where deep spiritual resilience took root. Instead of running from discomfort, they stayed and as a result they witnessed God bring life from ashes and strength from suffering. That’s the strange grace of challenge: it forms us in ways comfort never can.

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God didn’t design us to live behind glass, protected, isolated, or untouched by risk. That’s the danger of our screen-saturated, control-craving world: we can build an “unrisky life” that appears safe but leaves our spirits weak. John draws out a striking metaphor from Jonathan Haidt’s The Anxious Generation, where he talks about trees planted in a perfectly controlled environment that grew fast but fell before maturity because they lacked the stress and strain of wind. Without this stress, they never developed the “stress wood” that would make them strong enough to withstand life. You and I need wind too. We were made for challenge.

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Sometimes the best theology is found on the back deck. A small bird on a simple patrol caught the attention of a friend, and in that moment the truth came to light. That mockingbird, later named “Jabez,” seemed to be extending its reach, enlarging its territory. And just like that, we’re reminded of a prayer tucked quietly into 1 Chronicles 4:10, a prayer that asks God not for riches or comfort, but for blessing, for growth, for protection, and for freedom from pain. But it’s not self-centered, it’s a vision of hope in the face of the world’s curse, a longing that our lives might be vessels of blessing for others.

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Today, we’re keeping the gentleness discussion going. We are invited to get out of our hurried, harsh, screen-ridden worlds and into God’s world–the real world, full of life and joy. We’re reflecting on this truth from Jesus in Matthew 11: “I am gentle and lowly in heart.” Gentle and lowly? What countercultural words. And this isn’t the watered-down kind of gentleness; this is full-on fruit-of-the-spirit gentleness. Like John teaches, people can often misunderstand this. It’s not softness, weakness, or meekness. Gentleness is steady, and it actually begins at home in overcoming our harsh inner critics.

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In our culture, revenge is pervasive. In fact, John unpacks research showing a hidden framework for understanding human revenge, rage, and violence. In practice, revenge actually operates like an addiction in our brains. The cycle begins with grievance. And every little grievance - from a driver who maybe cuts us off, to a coworker who forgets our name - can trigger imagined injustice. We indulge our outrage and a desire for revenge. But the way of Jesus - the fruit of the spirit, love - interrupts that loop. Love doesn’t deny pain or injustice; it just refuses to use power to harm. It chooses to show up instead as gentleness and grace.

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Today’s journey of We Should Get Out More brings us to something a little different: a chat with Len Vanden Bos, chaplain of the Buffalo Bills– where John and Len visit one of the largest maximum-security prisons in the U.S. John and Nancy recently visited and what they saw was staggering. Angola holds countless stories not just of pain and injustice, but amazingly, deep transformation and freedom. Tune in for a meaningful chat about true surrender. People who aren’t being formed by algorithms, but truly the Holy Spirit.

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Today’s episode of We Should Get Out More might just be an introduction to your new favorite Bible verse. It’s an often-overlooked passage in Romans 16:22: “I, Tertius, who wrote down this letter, greet you in the Lord.” And while this might seem like a verse you’d look past, it’s significant because it’s Paul offering dignity to someone the world considered insignificant. Tertius was a scribe (maybe even a slave) whose name means “third.” In the ancient world, people were often reduced from a name down to a number. But counter culturally, Paul stops mid-letter to let Tertius speak. 

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Dr. Rick joins today to discuss what it really means to become a good person. Despite all his years of counseling, Rick shares that no one has ever walked into his office saying, “I want to be a good person.” However, by the end of their sessions, that desire is typically surfaced. It’s the realization that we all want to become someone who is grounded. Generous. Integris. That little question: Am I a good person? quietly lingers within each one of us.

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Today, John talks with Glenn Packiam about how resilience begins with recovery: the ability to return to a place of spiritual rest. Like a stress test measuring how fast your heart returns to normal, true spiritual health isn’t the absence of struggle, but the speed at which we return to God after it. There is no such thing as a life without trouble, which is why Jesus promised that he would be with us to the very end of the age.

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