Steve Carlton-Ford teaches Sociology at University of Cincinnati and is a member of the Becoming Beloved Community Steering Committee at Church of the Redeemer. In this episode, Steve joins Anny Stevens-Gleason and shares his experience of visiting South Africa last spring. Since this visit, Steve has been reflecting on the comparison of the results of the work of reconciliation done over the past 25 years post-apartheid in South Africa and the work we have accomplished since the Civil Rights Movement in the U.S. in the 1960s. Steve reminds us that social change takes a long time and notes that both countries still have a long way to go.