Mike talks with Lawrence Jackson, an official White House Photographer in the Obama administration. He's just released a beautiful book of photographs and stories about his time with the Obamas called Yes We Did: Photos and Behind-the-Scenes Stories Celebrating Our First African American President

Topics Mike & Lawrence discuss include:

• what the Obamas are really like
• being behind the scenes in the White House
• the ultra-competitive nature of President Obama
• the toll that being president takes on a person
• the survey Jackson took of 300 former White House staffers
• and lots more

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