In this special episode, listeners get a behind-the-scenes glimpse into our episode with Chris Surdak. Paul and Chris' discussion continued after the cameras stopped rolling, covering human evolution and how the transition from agrarian to industrial economies has shaped our approach to leadership today. Chris Surdak is the author of three books, Data Crush, Jerk: 12 Steps to Rule the World, and The Care and Feeding of Bots. Buy Chris' books on Amazon, and follow him on Twitter @CSurdak.