Alexander van Dijk interviews David D'Avray, a fellow of the British Academy and Emeritus Professor of History at University College London. Prof D'Avray talks about whether his faith influences his research, and vice versa. He also emphasises the importance of vocation in secular life, and of church history for all Catholics. He concludes with a take on "postmodern" philosophy quite different to Ryan Haecker's in the previous episode, saying that “Foucault is for people who don’t have a head for theory, but think they do”.