Recorded prior to the onset of the unprecedented social and economic upheaval associated with COVID-19 and, thus, the closing of The Wing, this episode jumps off with Lisa and Elizabeth discussing a column that appeared in Fast Company magazine written by The Wing founder Audrey Gelman. Ms. Gelman’s piece is about the mistakes she’s made while running her company and the pressures of appearing perfect. In other words, Ms. Gelman is guilty of running a business while human. The hosts talk about their reactions to the piece, their own leadership struggles, the unique dynamic between women and how they hope Trust Tree can provide tangible support and what that looks like.