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- 63. Where Work and Kingdom Meet w/Rich Pantusa - Part 1/2
What if the job you have right now is one of the very places God intends to father you?
In part one of this conversation, my dear friend Rich Pantusa returns to the Being Sons podcast to explore the intersection of our work and the kingdom of God. Drawing from his experience in military service and professional aviation, Rich shares the tension of loving God while struggling to recognize His presence and purpose in the workplace.
Together, we consider how God uses everyday responsibilities, difficult bosses, unfulfilling tasks, and humble beginnings to shape us as His sons. We explore bringing our work into our life with God, inviting His kingdom into the places we serve, and recognizing that some seasons are especially significant because of who we are becoming.
Whether you work in an office, a cockpit, a construction site, or a delivery truck, your Father is present. He wants to meet you there.
In this episode-
Recognizing your workplace as a place of fathering and initiation.
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Asking for God's kingdom to come into your daily work.
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Finding your identity in sonship while taking your work seriously.
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Making room for honest conversations about workplace struggles.
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Receiving God's formation before rushing to serve and lead others.
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Discovering the value of apprenticeship, resistance, and starting at the bottom.
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Learning to work alongside the Father with joy.
00:00 — God wants to father you at work 00:13 — Welcoming Rich Pantusa back to the podcast 01:32 — Where our work and God's kingdom meet 02:22 — Rich's struggle to connect faith and work 05:06 — Ecclesiastes and the invitation to enjoy our work 05:49 — God can father you in your current job 09:57 — Inviting God's kingdom into your workplace 13:20 — The need for honest conversations and wise guides 16:24 — When God is shaping the worker through the work 18:19 — Loving God first, then loving others 19:41 — Apprenticeship and the formation of young men 21:19 — What Jay is watching God do in his son's working life 23:09 — Trusting God's ongoing work beyond what we feel 23:54 — How the resistance of work helps us mature 26:00 — Closing and the invitation to part two
A question to take into your weekFather, what are You doing in me through the work You have given me, and how can I work alongside You today?
Join us for part two as Rich and I continue exploring what it means to live as sons of God in our everyday work.
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- 62. The Second Half of Life w/Morgan SnyderIn this conversation, Morgan Snyder and Jay Heck explore the profound shifts in faith, leadership, and fatherhood as men transition into the second half of life. They discuss how relinquishing control, embracing risk, and opting for the impossible can lead to true wholeness, rest, and divine alignment. Timestamps: 00:00 — Reconnecting and Reflecting on Brotherhood 06:52 — The Journey of Masculine Initiation 13:29 — Choosing the Impossible Over the Hard 31:21 — Lessons from the First Half of Life 35:13 — The Journey of Initiation 38:04 — The Quest for Father Figures 40:50 — Creating Outposts of the Kingdom 44:26 — Navigating the Second Half of Life 52:30 — Becoming Good Soil: A New Initiative Resources & Links: Becoming a King by Morgan Snyder:https://a.co/d/0eGqj6H9 Become Good Soil: https://becomegoodsoil.com/ BGS Podcasts: https://becomegoodsoil.com/podcasts1 hr 1 min
- 61. The Gift of Presence w/author Jeff Zaugg
Episode Summary: What if the key to great fatherhood isn't trying harder—but becoming freer? In this episode, Jay sits down with Jeff Zaugg (Dad Awesome) to explore how identity shapes everything. Together, they unpack why striving falls short, how presence transforms relationships, and what it looks like to lead your children from a place of sonship—not pressure.
In This Episode:
- Why striving actually blocks connection
- The shift from performance to presence
- Practical ways to engage your kids daily
- How identity shapes your fatherhood
49 min - 60. "The Big Six" Needs of Every Child - w/Adam Young
SUMMARY
In this episode of the Being Sons podcast, we delve into "The Big Six" essential needs every child requires from their caregivers, as explained by our guest, trauma therapist, podcast host and author Adam Young. Together we discover how attunement, responsiveness, engagement, affect regulation, emotional strength, and repair can profoundly impact a child's development and secure attachment. Join us as we explore these foundational elements and learn how they shape the journey of fatherhood and personal growth. You WILL get insights that promise to transform your understanding of your child, your childhood, parenting and relationships.
TAKEAWAYS
- Understanding your own story is crucial for effective parenting.
- Children need attuned and responsive caregivers to develop securely.
- The 'Big Six' needs are essential for healthy emotional development.
- Attunement involves recognizing and understanding a child's emotional state.
- Responsiveness is about how caregivers react to a child's emotions.
- Engagement means pursuing a child's unique identity and feelings.
- Parents must regulate their children's affect during emotional dysregulation.
- It's important for parents to handle their own emotions to support their children.
- Repairing harm done in parenting is essential for healthy relationships.
- The parent-child relationship is designed for the parent to give and the child to receive.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Understanding Dysregulation and Its Impact 01:03 Introduction to Adam Young and His Work 05:15 The Importance of Personal Story in Healing 06:34 The Influence of Family of Origin on Fathering 09:48 Secure vs. Insecure Attachment Explained 11:42 The Big Six Needs of Children 16:52 Attunement: Reading Children's Emotional States 18:51 Responsiveness: The Role of Caregivers 19:48 Engagement: Pursuing the Child's Unique Identity 26:32 Regulating Children's Affect: A Parent's Role 34:50 Handling Big Emotions: The Parent's Strength 39:42 The Importance of Repair in Relationships
To learn more from Adam Young listen to his great podcast, "The Place We Find Ourselves" and read his excellent new book, "Make Sense of Your Story"
Podcast on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36bU2hcguX97EDOi9Ja0tQ?si=a29272ea704649c1 Podcast on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-place-we-find-ourselves/id1373926216 ---------------------------------------------- Being Sons helps men live in union with God, as Father and sons. We host solo adventures for men and 1-on-1 father + child adventures. Learn more at https://www.beingsons.com/ On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/57RK9lH8dKi8gh8lLVtK97?si=1d49d12321b84b0e On iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/being-sons/id1447340022 YouTube Subscribe to our free 47-week Video Journey called "The Way of Sonship": https://mailchi.mp/beingsons/way-of-sonship50 min - 59. The Good Hard Work of the Heart w/Sam EldredgeE59 SUMMARY Sam Eldredge is the Founder and Director of Noble Workshops, a wonderfully effective intensive on-site healing workshop that helps hurting people experience holistic care that encompasses mind, body, heart, and spirit. Jay recently attended Noble and it was life-changing and beautiful. Sam and host Jay Heck explore the multifaceted, courageous journey of healing and sonship. They discuss the significance of creating safe spaces for vulnerability and connection, particularly in group settings like Noble Workshops and around campfires. The discussion highlights and celebrates the courage required to seek help and the transformative power of emotional connection in personal growth. Sam shares insights on facilitating healing in community, encouraging listeners to embrace their stories and the healing process, adding practical tips on how men and women could listen better and minister healing more effectively around environments like campfires. It's a great discussion we hope you come out better for hearing. TAKEAWAYS
- Holistic care involves addressing mind, body, heart, and spirit.
- Sonship is a journey of receiving God's love and healing.
- Creating safe spaces is essential for vulnerability and healing.
- You don't have to solve others' problems; just being present is enough.
- Noble Workshops provide a structured environment for healing.
- Emotional connection is crucial for personal growth.
- Investing in your healing journey is a courageous act.
- It's important to honor each person's story and experience.
- Asking for help is a sign of strength, not weakness.
- The process of healing often requires facing uncomfortable truths.
1 hr 13 min - 58. God in the Secret Place w/John Eldredge
SUMMARY Living in awe of the mystery of God and His ways is meant to be part of our normal daily life. Teaching us to enter into that mystery, with Him, is God's delight, and the way He makes provision for our every need. But our world, it's pace, technology, and near-instant access to information is proving to be a barrier to the intimacy with God we need to live. Through this conversation with John Eldredge, author of the new book "Experience Jesus. Really." you will see more clearly the assault against our intimacy with God, it's evil effects on the soul, and the rich provision He has for us if we will learn from our forebears how to once again live as "Ordinary Mystics". God's love, refuge, counsel, comfort, healing and deliverance are lavishly available to everyone who enters His presence in what He calls "the secret place". CHAPTERS 00:00 – The Purpose of the Conversation 01:08 – Introducing John Eldredge and His New Book 03:06 – The Need for Intimacy with God 06:05 The Impact of Modern Life on Spirituality 11:46 Understanding the Problem of Spiritual Intimacy 17:46 The Role of Ordinary Mystics in Spiritual Life 26:57 The Ordinary Mystic Experience 34:36 Exploring the Secret Place 40:30 Practicing the Presence of God 51:10 Provision in Times of Crisis For more on John Eldredge and Wild at Heart: click here To order his books, click here
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56 min - 57. The "Next First Step" Father with Jeff Zaugg - Part 2/2SUMMARY of E57 In the second part of this encouraging conversation, Jeff Zaugg and host Jay Heck celebrate the ministry of fatherhood, recalling personal stories of repeated failure along with the undeniable evidence of growth. They discuss the challenges all fathers face, the impact of their presence in their home, and the role of God in leading their parenting journey. They explore this multifaceted journey of fatherhood, emphasizing the importance of intentionality, encouragement, and connection with children. Through personal anecdotes and insights, they highlight the significance of vulnerability, identity, and love in fostering meaningful relationships with their children. The conversation serves as a source of inspiration and practical advice for fathers seeking to grow and improve in their massively important roles. TAKEAWAYS
- Fatherhood is a journey filled with stumbles and growth.
- Intentionality in parenting can lead to deeper connections.
- Activating dads for a greater purpose can transform communities.
- Encouragement is vital in overcoming feelings of inadequacy.
- Creating one-on-one time with children fosters meaningful relationships.
- The impact of a father's presence is profound and lasting.
- Discouragement is a common struggle for many fathers.
- Identity and love are foundational in a child's development.
- Vulnerability allows fathers to connect more deeply with their children.
- Faith plays a crucial role in navigating the challenges of fatherhood.
43 min - 56. The Joyful Father with Jeff Zaugg Part 1/2
In part 1 of this 2 part conversation, Jeff Zaugg and host Jay Heck explore the themes of fatherhood, sonship, and the joyful journey of being a dad. Jeff shares his learning curve with the DadAwesome initiative, emphasizing the importance of inviting joy, humility, and intentionality into our fathering. The discussion delves into the rewards that come from taking risks in our parenting, seeking healing from our past wounds, and exploring the profound interconnectedness between fatherhood and sonship. Through personal stories and insights, they highlight the joys and challenges of walking with God and letting Him teach us how to be awesome fathers. To learn more about Jeff Zaugg and His podcast go to DadAwesome TAKEAWAYS Be intentional in your parenting and relationships. Fatherhood is a journey of love and growth. Taking risks can lead to deeper connections with your children. Healing from past wounds can enhance your role as a father. Sonship is foundational to understanding fatherhood. Dads should actively pursue joy and happiness for their children. Creating moments of adventure fosters strong bonds with kids. Storytelling is a powerful tool in parenting. Dads have a moral obligation to model joy for their children. The concept of fractional paradise can enrich family life.
CHAPTERS 00:00 - The Foundation of Fatherhood 07:50 - The Journey of Dad Awesome 12:12 - The Importance of Intentionality 20:15 - Taking Risks in Fatherhood 23:22 - Healing Through Fatherhood 31:08 - The Interconnection of Sonship and Fatherhood
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Being Sons helps men live in union with God, as Father and sons. We host solo adventures for men and 1-on-1 father + child adventures.
Learn more at https://www.beingsons.com/
On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/57RK9lH8dKi8gh8lLVtK97?si=1d49d12321b84b0e
On iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/being-sons/id1447340022 YouTube Subscribe to our free 47-week Video Journey called "The Way of Sonship": https://mailchi.mp/beingsons/way-of-sonship
46 min - 55. The Biblical Thread of Sonship Part 2/2 with Scott Heare
Summary of E55
In the second half of this conversation, Jay Heck and Scott Hare explore the profound themes of sonship and adoption as depicted throughout the entirety of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. They discuss the journey from being orphans to becoming sons of God, emphasizing the transformative power of understanding one's identity in Christ. The conversation delves into the biblical narratives, particularly focusing on Moses and the Israelites, and how their experiences reflect the journey of faith and identity. The discussion culminates in the significance of adoption in the New Testament, highlighting God's heart for the fatherless and the invitation to be part of His family. The discussion culminates in the parable of the lost son, highlighting God's invitation to trust and embrace our identity in Him.
Takeaways
-God desires to help you discover your identity.
-The journey from orphans to sons is central to faith.
-Moses' identity transformation is key to understanding sonship. -Sonship affects how we perceive God's power and love. -Evil's power is derived from what we give it. -God's heart is to defend the fatherless and the widow. -Adoption is a major theme throughout the Bible. -Jesus invites us to be part of God's family. -Understanding our identity in Christ transforms our lives. -The narrative of Israel reflects our own journey of faith. -Adoption reflects God's love and our identity. -Caring for orphans and widows is crucial to God's judgment. -Understanding our identity as adopted children is transformative. -Submission to authority is essential in our spiritual journey. -Judgment can be a positive affirmation of belonging. -God's love is unconditional and seeks to embrace us. -The orphaned heart can be diagnosed through our relationships. -The Father desires to help us discover our true identity. -God's pursuit of us is relentless and loving. -The parable of the lost son illustrates God's heart for us.
Chapters
00:00 The Journey from Orphans to Sons 15:52 Transformative Power of Sonship 25:13 The Heart of God: Adoption and Fatherhood 29:02 The Pain of Adoption and God's Love 32:57 Judgment and Care for the Vulnerable 36:28 Understanding Our Identity as Adopted Children 39:03 Diagnosing the Orphaned Heart 44:20 Submission and Authority in Sonship 45:41 The Father's Heart and Our Identity 49:32 God's Pursuit of Us and Our Response 52:18 The Parable of the Lost Son and Invitation to Trust
As referred to by Scott Heare, here is Jack Frost's teaching on sonship: -Session 1 part 1 - Experiencing the Father's Embrace - https://youtu.be/qFByVMXxWMg?si=749zptY7PdYzz1-g -Session 1 Part 2 - Experiencing the Father's Embrace - https://youtu.be/Txdxv3Syw-c?si=AtEINJ0sD8d2P6gw
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Being Sons helps men live in union with God, as Father and sons. We host solo adventures for men and 1-on-1 father + child adventures.
Learn more at https://www.beingsons.com/
On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/57RK9lH8dKi8gh8lLVtK97?si=1d49d12321b84b0e
On iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/being-sons/id1447340022 YouTube Subscribe to our free 47-week Video Journey called "The Way of Sonship": https://mailchi.mp/beingsons/way-of-sonship
59 min - 54. The Biblical Thread of Sonship w/Scott Heare - Part 1/2
Summary
Q: How deeply is the theme of sonship embedded in the whole Biblical narrative? A: So deeply it will blow your mind! In part 1 of this 2 part conversation, Jay Heck is joined by Bible scholar and Holy land tour guide Scott Heare to explore the profound and ubiquitous theme of sonship through the whole of scripture. Drawing on his deep understanding of the Biblical text and how God's story has unfolded through human history, Scott shares with us this themes implications for identity, inheritance, and relationship with God.
Takeaways
-Sonship is a central theme in the Bible that shapes our identity. -Understanding God as Father changes our perspective on inheritance. -The journey of faith involves discovering the depth of sonship. -Experiences in the Middle East can enrich one's understanding of scripture. -The Old Testament is crucial for understanding the New Testament. -Sonship transforms the way we read and interpret the Bible. -Adolescence in faith reflects a struggle with identity and obedience. -The Bible is a library of interconnected stories, not just a single narrative. -Personal experiences can lead to a deeper revelation of sonship. -Sonship invites us into a transformative relationship with God. -Self-discovery often involves confronting deep-seated anger. -Understanding one's identity in God is crucial for spiritual growth. -The journey to sonship can be a gradual revelation. -Asking the right questions is more important than seeking answers. -Faith is a relationship built on ongoing conversation with God. -The burden of maintaining appearances can be lifted through sonship. -Scripture reveals the character of God and our identity in Him. -Sonship transforms how we approach life and relationships. -Embracing our identity as beloved children of God is liberating. -The journey of faith is more about discovery than performance.
Chapters 00:00 The Foundation of Sonship 03:01 Scott's Journey and Current Work 05:51 Experiences in the Middle East 12:00 The Importance of the Old Testament 18:05 Understanding Sonship 24:09 The Transformative Power of Sonship 29:33 Journey of Self-Discovery and Anger 36:03 The Revelation of Sonship 40:17 Wrestling with Identity and Salvation 52:17 Understanding Sonship in Scripture
As referred to by Scott Heare, here is Jack Frost's teaching on sonship:
"Session 1 part 1 - Experiencing the Father's Embrace" https://youtu.be/qFByVMXxWMg?si=749zptY7PdYzz1-g
"Session 1 Part 2 - Experiencing the Father's Embrace" - https://youtu.be/Txdxv3Syw-c?si=AtEINJ0sD8d2P6gw
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Being Sons helps men live in union with God, as Father and sons.
We host solo adventures for men and 1-on-1 father + child adventures.
Learn more at https://www.beingsons.com/
On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/57RK9lH8dKi8gh8lLVtK97?si=1d49d12321b84b0e
On iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/being-sons/id1447340022
YouTube Subscribe to our free 47-week Video Journey called "The Way of Sonship": https://mailchi.mp/beingsons/way-of-sonship
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