When Ben Gresham had had enough of Hillsong's inaction on LGBT issues and Gay Conversion Therapy, he Tweeted the pastor, Brian Houston and was invited to breakfast. 

Ben joins us in this chat to discuss that discussion and what it's like to come face to face with the leader himself. 

We also talk coming out of the closet and out of Hillsong and living an authentic life... no matter who you are!

You don't want to  miss part 2!

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