Australian firefighter and decent chap Ben Mumford joins Neal for a conversation about how blue-collar life and poetry are not mutually exclusive.

Ben’s poem: Henry Lawson’s “The Green-Hand Rouseabout” (http://www.poetrylibrary.edu.au/poets/lawson-henry/the-green-hand-rouseabout-0022043 )

Neal’s poem: David Greenwood’s “The Worker” (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=15004 )

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